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posted on 27-10-2009 at 03:00 PM
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Racists?
What is your view on them? Are you racist? Well I may not want to ask that question but give me your view on them. What you think about them. Have you
had any personal experiences with it? Or any friends that have?
I am Russian, well half my father is American. However, my friend Hayley is African American. It was my first few weeks in America. I had met a new
friend named Hayley. She was very nice. We lived in two different places! She lived in a place like the projects. Now that I look back it probably was
the projects. She came over to my house to spend the night. We were both nine and just wanted to walk around the block. As we were walking (I remember
every detail to this day) two boys and a girl rolled up on bikes. The girl looked like a flipping dike. The were eleven I believe. Back to the story,
so they stopped near us, and we were both scared shitless. They started calling her names asking her why she was in this sort of neighborhood. I just
grabbed Hayley by the arm and left. Hayley has spent the night at my house a lot since then. Then, my mother died when I was seventeen and my dad and
I moved to Seattle. I haven't spoke to her since. I need to talk to her. I always wonder what would have happened if I didn't grab her arm and
leave.
My mistake for making this so long, but tell me your views on racism or sexism. Tell me your personal stories.
All the candii in the world &; you still eat carrots?
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Racism, hm. Well, let me start off by saying there is no such thing as race. We're all one race - the human race. We're differentiated by
"ethnicity", but yeah, anyway.
I'm a clear racist and I'm not ashamed to admit that. I believe in "New Nazism" (VERY new set of beliefs), not to be confused with neo-Nazism, as
the two are completely different. I believe strongly in National Socialism when it comes to New Nazism, but it's not necessarily racist when you get
down to the bare bones of it. It just accentuates and stresses the principle that certain ethnicities should develop and take care of themselves
before they mess with other ethnicities (kind of like self-interest economically). I don't find that really racist at all, but a lot of people
(especially Americans and post-WWII Germans) will find the racism in it undoubtedly.
My apologies, I'm ranting and not actually answering the questions. Ja, I am a racist, but I'm a huge hypocrite with it as well. I dislike black
people but I have many black friends and friends that I wouldn't give up easily. I think racism is essential to this society as a whole. It promotes
progress just like hate and, by extension, war do; but of course in a different way. Being a racist myself, I know several signs to look out for when
around other people, so I've nabbed quite a few personal experiences with it. Most of my friends are racists, but not nearly as bad as myself. They
joke around with race and whatnot, but never are they really serious about it.
Hm, can't really think of anything else except that people take racism too strongly when they should just calm down and look at things rationally
instead of hastily shunning or casting down that person.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:17 AM
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro I believe strongly in National Socialism when it comes to New Nazism, but it's not
necessarily racist when you get down to the bare bones of it. It just accentuates and stresses the principle that certain ethnicities should develop
and take care of themselves before they mess with other ethnicities (kind of like self-interest economically). I don't find that really racist at
all, but a lot of people (especially Americans and post-WWII Germans) will find the racism in it undoubtedly. |
I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood, but how is this not racist?
You're basically saying that certain ethnicities shouldn't mess with others until they build them selves up like the latter. That by definition is
racist because you're basically placing one race or ethnicity over another. That's totally supremacist unless I am mistaken.
And racists are "shun" as you say because they shun others for physical differences the said race or ethnicity had no choice in but being a part of.
They judge a persons character and hate someone based on prejudice thinking and in this day and age, that kind of mentality is so outdated. You say
yourself, we are all one race/ the human race. We all bleed, we all cry, we all laugh, we all need to be treated equally. Skin color does not dictate
character. But prejudice dictates ignorance. I've lived my life being the anti-stereotype for a lower middle class minority in the inner-city. I
deserve to get the same treatment as a white person with whom I share qualities and education with. Saying something like I need to develop myself
more becuse I'm not in this "ethnicity" you speak of is greatly condescending and hugely insulting.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:29 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro
Racism, hm. Well, let me start off by saying there is no such thing as race. We're all one race - the human race. We're differentiated by
"ethnicity", but yeah, anyway.
I'm a clear racist and I'm not ashamed to admit that. I believe in "New Nazism" (VERY new set of beliefs), not to be confused with neo-Nazism, as
the two are completely different. I believe strongly in National Socialism when it comes to New Nazism, but it's not necessarily racist when you get
down to the bare bones of it. It just accentuates and stresses the principle that certain ethnicities should develop and take care of themselves
before they mess with other ethnicities (kind of like self-interest economically). I don't find that really racist at all, but a lot of people
(especially Americans and post-WWII Germans) will find the racism in it undoubtedly.
My apologies, I'm ranting and not actually answering the questions. Ja, I am a racist, but I'm a huge hypocrite with it as well. I dislike black
people but I have many black friends and friends that I wouldn't give up easily. I think racism is essential to this society as a whole. It promotes
progress just like hate and, by extension, war do; but of course in a different way. Being a racist myself, I know several signs to look out for when
around other people, so I've nabbed quite a few personal experiences with it. Most of my friends are racists, but not nearly as bad as myself. They
joke around with race and whatnot, but never are they really serious about it.
Hm, can't really think of anything else except that people take racism too strongly when they should just calm down and look at things rationally
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you keep contradicting yourself,
it sounds like you're not too sure of what you believe in,
or at least you don't really want to admit it because deep down you know that your belief system or nazi shit or whatever is ignorant, flawed, and
ultimately just plain wrong.
as someone of jewish descent,
the swastika and the nazi, look i speak german act is as kevin said, hugely insulting.
i'm a mouth that doesn't smile
i'm a word that no one ever wants to say
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:29 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro
Racism, hm. Well, let me start off by saying there is no such thing as race. We're all one race - the human race. We're differentiated by
"ethnicity", but yeah, anyway.
I'm a clear racist and I'm not ashamed to admit that. I believe in "New Nazism" (VERY new set of beliefs), not to be confused with neo-Nazism, as
the two are completely different. I believe strongly in National Socialism when it comes to New Nazism, but it's not necessarily racist when you get
down to the bare bones of it. It just accentuates and stresses the principle that certain ethnicities should develop and take care of themselves
before they mess with other ethnicities (kind of like self-interest economically). I don't find that really racist at all, but a lot of people
(especially Americans and post-WWII Germans) will find the racism in it undoubtedly.
My apologies, I'm ranting and not actually answering the questions. Ja, I am a racist, but I'm a huge hypocrite with it as well. I dislike black
people but I have many black friends and friends that I wouldn't give up easily. I think racism is essential to this society as a whole. It promotes
progress just like hate and, by extension, war do; but of course in a different way. Being a racist myself, I know several signs to look out for when
around other people, so I've nabbed quite a few personal experiences with it. Most of my friends are racists, but not nearly as bad as myself. They
joke around with race and whatnot, but never are they really serious about it.
Hm, can't really think of anything else except that people take racism too strongly when they should just calm down and look at things rationally
instead of hastily shunning or casting down that person. |
you keep contradicting yourself,
it sounds like you're not too sure of what you believe in,
or at least you don't really want to admit it because deep down you know that your belief system or nazi shit or whatever is ignorant, flawed, and
ultimately just plain wrong.
as someone of jewish descent,
the swastika and the nazi, look i speak german act is as kevin said, hugely insulting.
i'm a mouth that doesn't smile
i'm a word that no one ever wants to say
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KaminaziPyro
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:36 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kevinq
| Quote: | | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro I believe strongly in National Socialism when it comes to New Nazism, but it's not
necessarily racist when you get down to the bare bones of it. It just accentuates and stresses the principle that certain ethnicities should develop
and take care of themselves before they mess with other ethnicities (kind of like self-interest economically). I don't find that really racist at
all, but a lot of people (especially Americans and post-WWII Germans) will find the racism in it undoubtedly. |
I'm sorry, maybe I misunderstood, but how is this not racist?
You're basically saying that certain ethnicities shouldn't mess with others until they build them selves up like the latter. That by definition is
racist because you're basically placing one race or ethnicity over another. That's totally supremacist unless I am mistaken. |
Good point, but it's not entirely like that with the NN system. If it's racism at all, it's unintentional racism. It's not as if one ethnicity is
pushing another down on purpose like original Nazism did. It's like self-interest; by investing in yourself first, another person can
actually benefit from you doing that.
| Quote: | | Originally posted by kevinqAnd racists are "shun" as you say because they shun others for physical differences the
said race or ethnicity had no choice in but being a part of. They judge a persons character and hate someone based on prejudice thinking and in this
day and age, that kind of mentality is so outdated. |
But does it have to be exactly outdated or does it just appear to be?
| Quote: | | Originally posted by kevinqYou say yourself, we are all one race/ the human race. We all bleed, we all cry, we all
laugh, we all need to be treated equally. Skin color does not dictate character. But prejudice dictates ignorance. I've lived my life being the
anti-stereotype for a lower middle class minority in the inner-city. I deserve to get the same treatment as a white person with whom I share qualities
and education with. Saying something like I need to develop myself more becuse I'm not in this "ethnicity" you speak of is greatly condescending
and hugely insulting. |
It's not necessarily the color of one's skin all the time, but you're right about the race thing I said. A person's character is what's looked at
when it comes to the racism that I invoke. You could be black but if you don't act like a complete fool then I'll be completely fine with
befriending you.
I actually don't care much for the hardcore racists that take one glance at a person and judge them based on that single vision. I'm guilty of doing
this myself, but I try to actually get more information on the person before I truly make a decision on them (most of the time indirectly getting
info). Those types of racists can go huddle in their trailers and converse over meaningless things. The people that are actually doing something
instead of just hating on each other are the ones I can sympathize with and actually understand.
Dunno, everything I just said doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but still. This is an interesting subject for me.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sarahh
| Quote: | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro
Racism, hm. Well, let me start off by saying there is no such thing as race. We're all one race - the human race. We're differentiated by
"ethnicity", but yeah, anyway.
I'm a clear racist and I'm not ashamed to admit that. I believe in "New Nazism" (VERY new set of beliefs), not to be confused with neo-Nazism, as
the two are completely different. I believe strongly in National Socialism when it comes to New Nazism, but it's not necessarily racist when you get
down to the bare bones of it. It just accentuates and stresses the principle that certain ethnicities should develop and take care of themselves
before they mess with other ethnicities (kind of like self-interest economically). I don't find that really racist at all, but a lot of people
(especially Americans and post-WWII Germans) will find the racism in it undoubtedly.
My apologies, I'm ranting and not actually answering the questions. Ja, I am a racist, but I'm a huge hypocrite with it as well. I dislike black
people but I have many black friends and friends that I wouldn't give up easily. I think racism is essential to this society as a whole. It promotes
progress just like hate and, by extension, war do; but of course in a different way. Being a racist myself, I know several signs to look out for when
around other people, so I've nabbed quite a few personal experiences with it. Most of my friends are racists, but not nearly as bad as myself. They
joke around with race and whatnot, but never are they really serious about it.
Hm, can't really think of anything else except that people take racism too strongly when they should just calm down and look at things rationally
instead of hastily shunning or casting down that person. |
you keep contradicting yourself,
it sounds like you're not too sure of what you believe in,
or at least you don't really want to admit it because deep down you know that your belief system or nazi shit or whatever is ignorant, flawed, and
ultimately just plain wrong.
as someone of jewish descent,
the swastika and the nazi, look i speak german act is as kevin said, hugely insulting. |
Nah, I'm pretty sure of what I believe in. Original Nazism is meh and I can't truly follow it because it's too much for a society like ours and our
natural human behaviours. New Nazism, however, is something that makes sense to me and I can actually implement in everyday life.
Understandable about your feelings, but I myself have nothing against Jewish people. But I'm not going to change my outlook on the swastika as a
whole because of something that happened in the past. And what act are you speaking of if I may inquire?
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:43 AM
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Everyone has the right to their beliefs, whether we agree with them or not.
I'm not racist, nor do I treat any race differently from another.
I couldn't care less of peoples gender, race, and sexual orientation, however if you flaunt your race, gender, or sexual orientation, I hate you.
This is a form of racism, in itself, people who often play the race card, are racist, just in denial. it may not be a big view of it, but it's
definitely racism.
I hate people who are superficial. who have superficial views, superficial ways of living, etc. etc. I don't care if they're black brown white
yellow or green, it doesn't change the fact they're dumb.
I do play on peoples insecurities when I am in an argument, or feel like demeaning them, and if it happens to be their race, sex, or sexual
orientation I won't hesitate to use it against them, it's their fault for paying such close attention to it creating the string of hate for any
opposing beliefs. I don't hate them, I don't love, I don't care for them at all.
thats my view. people care way too much about it, and that is a form of weakness, and a form of strength, they block out different forms of beliefs
simply by thinking they're right, and other people are wrong with their beliefs, no one is incorrect, the only incorrect thing is saying you're
correct and others are wrong. almost everyone does this, and thats why I don't care for a good portion of society, 98.87247% of the world falls under
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:44 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
Everyone has the right to their beliefs, whether we agree with them or not.
I'm not racist, nor do I treat any race differently from another.
I couldn't care less of peoples gender, race, and sexual orientation, however if you flaunt your race, gender, or sexual orientation, I hate you.
This is a form of racism, in itself, people who often play the race card, are racist, just in denial. it may not be a big view of it, but it's
definitely racism.
I hate people who are superficial. who have superficial views, superficial ways of living, etc. etc. I don't care if they're black brown white
yellow or green, it doesn't change the fact they're dumb.
I do play on peoples insecurities when I am in an argument, or feel like demeaning them, and if it happens to be their race, sex, or sexual
orientation I won't hesitate to use it against them, it's their fault for paying such close attention to it creating the string of hate.
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You know, you are fucking awesome.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:49 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro
| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
Everyone has the right to their beliefs, whether we agree with them or not.
I'm not racist, nor do I treat any race differently from another.
I couldn't care less of peoples gender, race, and sexual orientation, however if you flaunt your race, gender, or sexual orientation, I hate you.
This is a form of racism, in itself, people who often play the race card, are racist, just in denial. it may not be a big view of it, but it's
definitely racism.
I hate people who are superficial. who have superficial views, superficial ways of living, etc. etc. I don't care if they're black brown white
yellow or green, it doesn't change the fact they're dumb.
I do play on peoples insecurities when I am in an argument, or feel like demeaning them, and if it happens to be their race, sex, or sexual
orientation I won't hesitate to use it against them, it's their fault for paying such close attention to it creating the string of hate.
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You know, you are fucking awesome. |
Lol, thank you.
| Quote: | Originally posted by sarahh
as someone of jewish descent,
the swastika and the nazi |
This is racist, you're connecting the swastika with just nazi germany, The swastika was adopted by the nazi's it's not an international symbol of
hating a race, though people often put it as such, thus continuing the string of racism, and hate. you're using the very thing you oppose, you
yourself also contradict your own statements.
Not meaning to be offensive or anything, this is just an observation.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 02:03 AM
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you forgot purple people gee!!!
Cannibals Anonymous...
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 02:04 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BrigetteMorgan
you forgot purple people gee!!!
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we all know purple people are not people at all.
They're vermin that need to be extinguished.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 02:09 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KaminaziPyro
Good point, but it's not entirely like that with the NN system. If it's racism at all, it's unintentional racism. It's not as if one ethnicity is
pushing another down on purpose like original Nazism did. It's like self-interest; by investing in yourself first, another person can
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You aren't explaining what "investing in yourself first" means. What does that mean and why should I have to do this before I step up to any other
race? I am equal to everyone else. Bill Gates and I? Equal. Maybe not financially or socially, but we are built exactly the same minus skin pigment.
Any deep seeded racism or "unintentional racism" is racism all the same.
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But does it have to be exactly outdated or does it just appear to be? |
Yes, it is. Racism isn't dead in this country, I can tell that from our friends at the Republican party who hold these "Tea parties" and oppose our
presidents every move with quasi racism. Holding up signs with swastikas in rallies and "jokingly" suggesting assassinating him. They are clearly
pandering to those with a twisted enough mentality to do such a thing. Obama had to outspend the other presidential candidates in security more than 3
fold. He wasn't even elected yet when several assassination attempts had to be foiled. (Mostly by Neo-Nazis) These people didn't disagree with his
politics, they obviously disagreed with his color. Shameful too, because he is the one president in our short generation who is fighting for PEOPLE
LIKE THEM. The underprivileged.
Why is that mentality outdated though? Because it's based on the mentality that one race is superior to another, when Obama was a Harvard Law School
graduate, a professor and a lawyer who had to build from scratch while his predecessor was a huge dipshit who had everything handed to him. No,
obviously race means nothing in terms of superiority.
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keep contradicting yourself,
it sounds like you're not too sure of what you believe in,
or at least you don't really want to admit it because deep down you know that your belief system or nazi shit or whatever is ignorant, flawed, and
ultimately just plain wrong.
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I agree with Sarah here. Your posts do seem to contradict. You seem either unsure or afraid.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 02:14 AM
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The first step abolishing racism, is to just ignore their stupidity, and to say that republicans are the only politcal party with racists is a form of
hate.
I'm not saying there aren't any, everyone has their own ways of dealing with racism, some more radical than others.
But in order to actually make a change in this, is to stop viewing racism as a threat, and giving them power, most everyone in this country has white,
black, indian, in them, combined, I mean, race is dead. we're all one, and the sooner we stop saying people are racist, the sooner it will stop.
there are no more pure races in this world. No one race is better than the other, only individuals in this race view themselves as such. ignore this
ideal and racism is affectivly terminated. people will always disagree with other people, but when let's say, a white man, says a black man is wrong,
and the black man says "thats because I'm black, and you're white" this is racist. there's two sides to a coin, passive and aggresive. when
people ignore their race, and ignore the race of the person they're talking with, thats when race doesn't even matter. however everyone today always
plays a race card, a sex card, and this is just the passive form of it, giving the aggresive form of it more reason to continue their pitiful
onslaught of stupidity, it's fuel to the fire.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 02:35 AM
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by sarahh
as someone of jewish descent,
the swastika and the nazi |
This is racist, you're connecting the swastika with just nazi germany, The swastika was adopted by the nazi's it's not an international symbol of
hating a race, though people often put it as such, thus continuing the string of racism, and hate. you're using the very thing you oppose, you
yourself also contradict your own statements.
Not meaning to be offensive or anything, this is just an observation. |
I have to disagree.
The Neo-Nazi's didn't choose to use the swastikas because they like the colors or anything else. They chose it because it was used by the Nazis in
Germany before and during WW2.
What you accuse Sarah of doing is the same thing I can accuse the Neo (Or NEW) Nazis of doing. They've conditioned themselves to associate that
symbol with a certain meaning, a certain belief. When Sarah (Or any Jew... or anyone else) sees that symbol, they're conditioned to instantly think
about Hitler, the hatred that ran rampant around that time, the Aryan white supremacy and the 6 million dead Jews.
This is the same reason why I wouldn't walk around with a rainbow flag on my book bag. The rainbow flag is associated to gays and as much as I love
the gay people, I am not one of them.
If the Neo (or "new") Nazis want to separate themselves from original Nazism, they wouldn't use a swastika.
| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
The first step abolishing racism, is to just ignore their stupidity, and to say that republicans are the only politcal party with racists is a form of
hate.
I'm not saying there aren't any, everyone has their own ways of dealing with racism, some more radical than others. |
I should clarify myself. I'm not saying all Republicans are racist. Not at all. Those who are Republican because they truly believe in small
government and ties between God and politics, good on them. They have all the right in the world to do so.
What I AM saying is that "racist" isn't a registered party in the United States. And seeing as the current president is black and progressive. The
Glenn Becks, Rush Limbaughs of this world have decided to pander to those people in order to gather more strength in numbers. In stead, it just makes
them look like bigoted buffoons.
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He's more arabian then he is black, I don't see what the big deal about the color of his skin is.
I personally don't think he's in the right, but thats just my belief, his reforms need a certain form os sustainability, which we lack at this
moment, and yes that is bush's fault.
but switching from one extreme, to another, is just as bad.
And I understand where you're coming from, but thats society's fault the swastika has nothing to do with the neo nazi's belief or the nazi's
beleif, it was just associated with them because it's the symbol they prided themselves on.
it's the symbol they used. but this is a form of racism in itself,"Anyone who uses the swastika, is automatically classified as a nazi" it's the
other side of the racism coin, and it's just as effective as any other form of racism
Also, kevin you're my favorite person to debate with, and argue different point of views. you're a lot smarter than most people i've discussed
things with.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 03:09 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
He's more arabian then he is black, I don't see what the big deal about the color of his skin is. |
He's Half Kenyan, half American.
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I understand where you're coming from, but thats society's fault the swastika has nothing to do with the neo nazi's belief or the nazi's beleif,
it was just associated with them because it's the symbol they prided themselves on.
it's the symbol they used. but this is a form of racism in itself,"Anyone who uses the swastika, is automatically classified as a nazi" it's the
other side of the racism coin, and it's just as effective as any other form of racism
Also, kevin you're my favorite person to debate with, and argue different point of views. you're a lot smarter than most people i've discussed
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First off, thanks and likewise.
But I'm not saying that it isn't societies fault for associating the swastika with "Nazi" I understand it meant something prior to it being the
Nazis symbol. However, given the circumstances of societies nature to associate one thing with another (Barrack HUSSEIN Obama = He's working for
TERRORISTS!!!) Don't you think the Neo Nazis would then be wise enough to not use that symbol?
And that form of prejudice as you call it differs greatly from hating a black because he's black or a Jew because he originates from Israel. Because
unlike someones pigment or origin, using that symbol is a choice. You choose, knowing full well what society associates with
swastikas (Let's face it, whatever meaning the symbol had prior to Hitler is moot now) and you choose to call yourselves Nazis. I am less inclined
to be sympathetic towards you because while their are some neo (or new... even though they mean the same thing) Nazis that aren't racist, most people
who use that symbol are either racist, or very VERY hard headed. While on the other hand, black skin isn't the symbol for criminal. It's a skin
color. The man or woman had no choice whatsoever on it.
This is like me opening up an innocent bakery but my business logo is a picture of a dead rat. It doesn't mean rats are in my food, it's just a
logo... but why would I be stupid enough use a dead rat in my logo in the first place?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kevinq
| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
He's more arabian then he is black, I don't see what the big deal about the color of his skin is. |
He's Half Kenyan, half American.
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I understand where you're coming from, but thats society's fault the swastika has nothing to do with the neo nazi's belief or the nazi's beleif,
it was just associated with them because it's the symbol they prided themselves on.
it's the symbol they used. but this is a form of racism in itself,"Anyone who uses the swastika, is automatically classified as a nazi" it's the
other side of the racism coin, and it's just as effective as any other form of racism
Also, kevin you're my favorite person to debate with, and argue different point of views. you're a lot smarter than most people i've discussed
things with. |
First off, thanks and likewise.
But I'm not saying that it isn't societies fault for associating the swastika with "Nazi" I understand it meant something prior to it being the
Nazis symbol. However, given the circumstances of societies nature to associate one thing with another (Barrack HUSSEIN Obama = He's working for
TERRORISTS!!!) Don't you think the Neo Nazis would then be wise enough to not use that symbol?
And that form of prejudice as you call it differs greatly from hating a black because he's black or a Jew because he originates from Israel. Because
unlike someones pigment or origin, using that symbol is a choice. You choose, knowing full well what society associates with
swastikas (Let's face it, whatever meaning the symbol had prior to Hitler is moot now) and you choose to call yourselves Nazis. I am less inclined
to be sympathetic towards you because while their are some neo (or new... even though they mean the same thing) Nazis that aren't racist, most people
who use that symbol are either racist, or very VERY hard headed. While on the other hand, black skin isn't the symbol for criminal. It's a skin
color. The man or woman had no choice whatsoever on it.
This is like me opening up an innocent bakery but my business logo is a picture of a dead rat. It doesn't mean rats are in my food, it's just a
logo... but why would I be stupid enough use a dead rat in my logo in the first place? |
Well, I mean, it's definitely not stupid to have a different and valid view point. I like the way you word it, and your example, however, a dead rat
is associated with death, and vermin. swastika's meaning is now moot, I agree, it's just stupid that people today who fight against racism as being
an improper way of thinking. I mean it's sad, really but you are right, in a superficial society there is no excuse for sticking out, in ways people
don't want you to stick out. if you want to be different, you're shuned for it, because being different is wrong, Society's motto.
"don't get a life, get a job"
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Sure. I don't know Kaminazi, so he could just be some kid who is truly into to "original" meaning of the swastika. (Although the people hailing in
his signature, and the constant references to Hitler show me he's either one of them, or he just wants attention via shock method) And it's silly
for people to prejudge him that way, but with the way society is built, unless it is something you truly believe in, why do it? Why sully your
name?
But really, it may not be totally societies fault rather than our own psyche. I mean, it's totally Freudian to associate an object or symbol with an
emotion, concept or feeling. It's called classical conditioning. A rat is placed in a cage with a switch, every time he hits that switch, food
appears. He will inevitably associate the switch with pleasure. Just like people associate the swastika with pain and hatred.
I agree with you 100% though when you say a lot of people who fight racism are racists themselves. I can toss all the Al Shaptons in the world at you
as proof. Society in this sense, bleeds hypocrisy.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 03:44 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kevinq
Sure. I don't know Kaminazi, so he could just be some kid who is truly into to "original" meaning of the swastika. (Although the people hailing in
his signature, and the constant references to Hitler show me he's either one of them, or he just wants attention via shock method) And it's silly
for people to prejudge him that way, but with the way society is built, unless it is something you truly believe in, why do it? Why sully your
name?
But really, it may not be totally societies fault rather than our own psyche. I mean, it's totally Freudian to associate an object or symbol with an
emotion, concept or feeling. It's called classical conditioning. A rat is placed in a cage with a switch, every time he hits that switch, food
appears. He will inevitably associate the switch with pleasure. Just like people associate the swastika with pain and hatred.
I agree with you 100% though when you say a lot of people who fight racism are racists themselves. I can toss all the Al Shaptons in the world at you
as proof. Society in this sense, bleeds hypocrisy. |
Brilliantly worded.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
| Quote: | Originally posted by BrigetteMorgan
you forgot purple people gee!!!
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we all know purple people are not people at all.
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fine!! lol
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rac⋅ism
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the
idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
I am not racist, in any way. Because even though I do not like certain people, I look at them as, firstly individuals and not a race as a whole, and
secondly, it's from personal experience not a prejudgment.
My elementary school was all black.
Now some of you may say "So was mine, so what?"
But I am sure you are saying that there was just a small group of people another race. That is not what I mean.
I mean that I was the only white person there. Period.
Now, I grew up with a lot of hate thrown my way, because of my race.
And I learned how that felt early on. To be treated like an outsider, and like I didn't belong. Eventually I made friends, a lot of them, and I
learned that hating some one just because they look different, is stupid.
Racism is an excuse. An excuse to say that you are better than some one. Racism is used to hide a person's own insecurities about themselves, as is
any other form of hate [I cite here, most republicans speaking out against homosexual activities and then are caught doing such a thing]
And you can't say that me hating, or disliking racists is racism because they're not a race, they're of many races. I dislike their belief system,
which is something totally different.
Anyways. I have had so many personal experiences with racists, and racism in general. And to those who are blatantly racist I ask, do you really like
being treated like an outsider, and hated for no reason besides how you look? Is that something that turns you on, and makes you happy inside?
I didn't think so.
This may not be as well worded as everyone else's little piece, so don't shit all over it please. =[
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 12:34 PM
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Most people I know have made statement about someones race..
Racism is always going to exist unfortunately...
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 12:45 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sesshy
rac⋅ism
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the
idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
I am not racist, in any way. Because even though I do not like certain people, I look at them as, firstly individuals and not a race as a whole, and
secondly, it's from personal experience not a prejudgment.
My elementary school was all black.
Now some of you may say "So was mine, so what?"
But I am sure you are saying that there was just a small group of people another race. That is not what I mean.
I mean that I was the only white person there. Period.
Now, I grew up with a lot of hate thrown my way, because of my race.
And I learned how that felt early on. To be treated like an outsider, and like I didn't belong. Eventually I made friends, a lot of them, and I
learned that hating some one just because they look different, is stupid.
Racism is an excuse. An excuse to say that you are better than some one. Racism is used to hide a person's own insecurities about themselves, as is
any other form of hate [I cite here, most republicans speaking out against homosexual activities and then are caught doing such a thing]
And you can't say that me hating, or disliking racists is racism because they're not a race, they're of many races. I dislike their belief system,
which is something totally different.
Anyways. I have had so many personal experiences with racists, and racism in general. And to those who are blatantly racist I ask, do you really like
being treated like an outsider, and hated for no reason besides how you look? Is that something that turns you on, and makes you happy inside?
I didn't think so.
This may not be as well worded as everyone else's little piece, so don't shit all over it please. =[ |
No, this was very well said and I agree with you 100%.
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 12:55 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sesshy
rac⋅ism
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the
idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
I am not racist, in any way. Because even though I do not like certain people, I look at them as, firstly individuals and not a race as a whole, and
secondly, it's from personal experience not a prejudgment.
My elementary school was all black.
Now some of you may say "So was mine, so what?"
But I am sure you are saying that there was just a small group of people another race. That is not what I mean.
I mean that I was the only white person there. Period.
Now, I grew up with a lot of hate thrown my way, because of my race.
And I learned how that felt early on. To be treated like an outsider, and like I didn't belong. Eventually I made friends, a lot of them, and I
learned that hating some one just because they look different, is stupid.
Racism is an excuse. An excuse to say that you are better than some one. Racism is used to hide a person's own insecurities about themselves, as is
any other form of hate [I cite here, most republicans speaking out against homosexual activities and then are caught doing such a thing]
And you can't say that me hating, or disliking racists is racism because they're not a race, they're of many races. I dislike their belief system,
which is something totally different.
Anyways. I have had so many personal experiences with racists, and racism in general. And to those who are blatantly racist I ask, do you really like
being treated like an outsider, and hated for no reason besides how you look? Is that something that turns you on, and makes you happy inside?
I didn't think so.
This may not be as well worded as everyone else's little piece, so don't shit all over it please. =[ |
I'd agree with you. I thought it was well worded =D
I used to go to a school, and most of the students were of
Aboriginal, Asian or Islanders decent. Oh god I used to get called wog all the time. Then you'd have the european people who were part aboriginal,
that used to give every other european shit for being european themselves. Eh people are hypocritical. What do you do..
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posted on 28-10-2009 at 01:58 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sesshy
rac⋅ism
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the
idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
I am not racist, in any way. Because even though I do not like certain people, I look at them as, firstly individuals and not a race as a whole, and
secondly, it's from personal experience not a prejudgment.
My elementary school was all black.
Now some of you may say "So was mine, so what?"
But I am sure you are saying that there was just a small group of people another race. That is not what I mean.
I mean that I was the only white person there. Period.
Now, I grew up with a lot of hate thrown my way, because of my race.
And I learned how that felt early on. To be treated like an outsider, and like I didn't belong. Eventually I made friends, a lot of them, and I
learned that hating some one just because they look different, is stupid.
Racism is an excuse. An excuse to say that you are better than some one. Racism is used to hide a person's own insecurities about themselves, as is
any other form of hate [I cite here, most republicans speaking out against homosexual activities and then are caught doing such a thing]
And you can't say that me hating, or disliking racists is racism because they're not a race, they're of many races. I dislike their belief system,
which is something totally different.
Anyways. I have had so many personal experiences with racists, and racism in general. And to those who are blatantly racist I ask, do you really like
being treated like an outsider, and hated for no reason besides how you look? Is that something that turns you on, and makes you happy inside?
I didn't think so.
This may not be as well worded as everyone else's little piece, so don't shit all over it please. =[ |
I'm going to disagree, not because I think you're wrong, but because you think you're right.
And because I'm Bobby, and I like to be a pain in the butt sometimes<3
It's very well worded. And I agree with you 100% But, You know, I can't allow everyone to agree with you openly, so I'll be a closet Understanding
agree-er of your post, and openly hate it.
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